In Ukraine, Hell — and Hope
Five Russian soldiers squatted for weeks with a Ukrainian family, unwelcome. What they learned is telling.
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Russian forces have pulled back from around the Ukrainian capital, Kyiv. They’ve left the country’s second largest city, Kharkiv. But farther east and south, the fighting has intensified, and the civilian death toll is mounting. How will this war end? What will remain of Ukraine? And are European powers doing enough to punish Russia for its devastating invasion? Journalist Peter Pomerantsev — recently back from covering the conflict for the Atlantic — helps Will and Siva parse a complex picture.
Pomerantsev tells the story of one Ukrainian family who survived several weeks confined in their cellar with a handful of Russian soldiers. Slowly but surely, the Horbonos family chipped away at the lies their uninvited visitors had swallowed from their own government. This story serves as a kind of allegory for how Russia might ultimately lose the war, Pomerantsev says, despite its military might and its domestic propaganda machine. In the meantime, he argues, Western nations must maintain a unified front, in their sanctions and their rhetoric, and make ready to help Ukrainians rebuild their country.
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Peter Pomerantsev is a British journalist, author and TV producer who was born in Kyiv. Currently a senior fellow at the SNF Agora Institute of Johns Hopkins University, Pomerantsev recently returned from Ukraine, where he was reporting for the Atlantic. He has advised governments on information wars and media development and has written extensively about post-Soviet Russia and the role disinformation played in derailing its democratic aspirations. His two books are Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible: The Surreal Heart of the New Russia (Public Affairs, 2014) and This Is Not Propaganda: Adventures in the War Against Reality (Public Affairs, 2019). Follow Pomerantsev on Twitter @peterpomeranzev.
In This Is Not Propaganda, Pomerantsev explores how disinformation has shaped global politics from Moscow to Manilla. Along the way, he goes into greater detail on his background as the son of dissidents who fled the Soviet empire.
Should the world cut a deal with Russian leader Vladimir Putin, striking a new balance of power in Eastern Europe and allowing him to save face? No, Pomerantsev argues in a new piece in the Guardian.
Nothing Is True and Everything Is Possible looks at Russian broadcast television and the powerful hold it has over its viewers.
As the war got underway, Pomerantsev called on Western advertisers to cut off support for Russian media, which have helped spread the Kremlin’s absurd claim that its invasion is intended to “de-Nazify” Ukraine.
But the story of the Horbonoses and their time living with Russian soldiers, Pomerantsev writes, suggests that support for the war in Russia is thinner than it may seem.
Last year, Pomerantsev and colleague Anne Applebaum offered some insight on how democratic habits, eroded under the weight an internet wired for profit, might be renewed.
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Russian forces have focused their offensive on the eastern Donbas region of Ukraine and are pounding the city of Severodonetsk, home to a major chemical plant.
In March, Putin signed a censorship law criminalizing any reporting that contradicts his government’s official version of events. Russia maintains that its invasion of Ukraine is not a war but a “special military operation.”
With the news so tightly controlled, most Russians probably haven’t heard of the resignation last week of Boris Bondarev, a mid-ranking diplomat to the United Nations. Bondarev said he was horrified that his native Russia had become “a threat to the world.”
The European Union is moving this week to all but ban Russian oil imports and to curtail insurance companies from covering Moscow’s exports.
Such sanctions have severely hurt the Russian economy, but the ruble has risen as the Russian central bank moves quickly to lower interest rates and prevent a complete collapse.
The Kremlin, meanwhile, is cutting off natural gas to some European nations and cutting deals with others.
Heard on the Show
At the top of this week’s show, you’ll hear audio from multiple news sources, including reports from NBC in Severodonetsk and Luhansk; CNN in Kyiv and Moscow; UN Radio in Poland; the Guardian in Ukraine and Russia; and ABC in Kharkiv; as well as a France 24 broadcast in March analyzing Russian dissent. We also included a bit of Zelensky speaking, through a translator, in a virtual address to the World Economic Forum in Davos, on May 23.